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Was the book David Ahl's More Basic Computer Games? I had that book and spent hours and hours typing in those programs. The one that caused me the most pain was a program to print Lissajous curves. It was designed for an 80 column plotter and I spent a long time trying to make it look "right" on my 21 column Commodore Vic-20 screen. Ahhh, good memories.


Yeah, that's the book. And, why here's a scanned copy. I don't miss typing in programs, but it wasn't a bad way to learn stuff.

Bolie Williams IV

Oh, wow... what a long way we've come from those days.


My question is, why did real ID make it easier to reconnect with this person than say, adding his lvl 20 character to your friends list?


His level 20 character is on some other server. And in this case, I didn't even know he was playing WoW; I think he found me via Facebook or something.


The reason I ask is I am one of those who canceled my account over their poorly planned implementation, why should you be required to hand someone your account login to be "friends" with them? I am also one of those people who do not have a facebook account and prefer my gaming to be somewhat anonymous. Wouldn't it be just as simple for him to message you on facebook after seeing you play wow and ask what server/character you play? Does RealID show him what server you're on? What part of the system allowed him to "find" you in the game?


It sounds like you quit without fully understanding the Real ID system. That's a loss for Blizzard, they've done a terrible job explaining it.

Real ID includes a way to ask your Facebook accounts if any of your Facebook friends also have Blizzard accounts. It's done in the same way other sites use Facebook for social graph linking. Blizzard explains it in their FAQ. I believe you can hide yourself from this discovery via Facebook's privacy controls.

You don't have to hand over your account login to be friends with someone. You hand over your login name, which in Blizzard's case is now your email address of record. You keep your password (and authenticator) private. Some people are upset about hanging identity on the email address, but it works fine for me.

Once you get a Real ID invitation in-game, which you can accept or decline. If you accept it, then the Real ID system shows your friend your character and server names. If you decline it, that's the end of it.

I totally get that you want your gaming to be anonymous. Blizzard hasn't removed that choice from you, there are various ways to opt out of Real ID.


I was going to try and write a nice, well written response but don't have ability so I'll just list my concerns.

Assuming you don't have an authenticator as it's not required, anyone who gets your login email address can hack away at your account.( this was the first mistake they made by moving to email address logins, I created a new email address for both of my accounts and only use them for the accounts )

I assume, based on recent news, that Facebook default security is pretty lax ( not sure as I'll never use Facebook ), I assume that your email address ( the one that would also be tied to blizzard ) is by default visible to all visitors? I also assume that the majority of people aren't concerned by this.

If the email address you use for login is the same one you use to communicate with real people, you are opening yourself up to inquiries into your personal habits. The classic, "A future employer will be able to label me as a gamer who spends their free time in WoW" is a great example. The initial plan was to display your login(email address) as your forum name, anything you posted there would have been tied to you forever, even if you stopped playing the game.

There is just something wrong with having personal information so easy to find and use.


Yeah, I hear you. AFAIK the most anyone can do with your email address is verify you own a battle.net account. Everything else you have to opt in to.

Part of what Real ID is doing is making gamers "come out of the closet" so to speak. I understand if you'd rather keep your gaming private. I think it's interesting Blizzard is moving away from that privacy. My guess is it will work to their advantage, as people (like me!) have positive social experiences with Real ID. But they're going to lose some people, too, like you.

Bolie Williams IV

Just to add some more information, I've encountered people on WoW and added them to my "pals" list so that I can see when they are online and message them (but only as a given character on that realm). They don't know my Real ID and I don't know theirs. I have several Real ID friends who I knew outside of WoW and with whom I've connected via their email address. I can see them whenever they login regardless of which character they use and which realm they are on (note that they had to agree to be Real ID friends, first).

Basically, within the game, Real ID gives you an additional way to connect to people but doesn't force you to use it.

Its use on the forums is separate and different and apparently was canceled, which is fine with me as I don't particularly want to post there under my Real ID.


hey Flyv, Drop me a line when you have a second. Either here, facebook, gmail, or in game, I am not on Garona much but keep tabs with Ryg, Rip, and that crew.

Berenerd is also on there a lot if you see him.

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